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Post by GF14 on Nov 28, 2014 19:13:54 GMT -8
Donaldson to the Jays for Lawrie, graveman, barreto, and nolin.
Donaldson is actually under control for a year longer than Lawrie. Pretty big downgrade for a few minor leaguers.
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Post by aussiedodger on Nov 28, 2014 19:58:32 GMT -8
OMG WTF RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE  |
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Post by aussiedodger on Nov 28, 2014 20:18:00 GMT -8
I'm still very angry about this, but I do understand the thinking that Butler+Lawrie = Donaldson.
Doesn't make me like it
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Post by GF14 on Nov 28, 2014 22:00:56 GMT -8
Lol Butler and Lawrie in no way equals Donaldson.
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Post by mweir145 on Nov 29, 2014 0:19:06 GMT -8
Awesome.  |
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Post by aussiedodger on Nov 29, 2014 4:45:20 GMT -8
Awesome.  |
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Post by bigh0rt on Nov 29, 2014 11:22:35 GMT -8
Does this mean that Lawrie breaks out in 2015, and Donaldson becomes a tremendous bust? No. But it doesn't NOT mean that, either. Deep thoughts.  |
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Post by ysguy on Nov 29, 2014 17:53:45 GMT -8
Billy Bean is blowing that #&%! up !
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Post by kab21 on Nov 30, 2014 3:12:12 GMT -8
Beane certainly likes to zag when everyone else zigs.
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Post by ensanimal on Nov 30, 2014 10:45:11 GMT -8
Awesome. All of this. |
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Post by lastings on Dec 1, 2014 12:07:46 GMT -8
Beane is just ahead of the game again. As we revert back to non-steroid era status, 28+ year-olds are back to being considered on the downside of their career. whereas, 24-year old Lawrie's can still improve a lot over the next 3 years.
Everyone will laugh and say, "that Billy Beane did it again" 3 years from now when Donaldson is a bench bat and Lawrie is making his 2nd straight all-star appearance. At which point, Beane will trade Lawrie for a bunch of what looks like junk. Rinse, repeat.
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Post by GF14 on Dec 1, 2014 13:02:31 GMT -8
I agree that Donaldson has probably peaked, but I also think his perceived value was quite a bit higher than what they got back. He's much, much better than even a healthy Lawrie, and none of those minor leaguers seem all that valuable.
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Post by daullaz on Dec 1, 2014 15:51:30 GMT -8
I think moving him was the right move in an offseason where several teams were looking to plug a 3B hole, but I just don't think they timed it correctly. If they had waited until Headley signed, they could have potentially landed a sweeter package from one of four or five teams who I'm sure would love to get their hands on an All-Star caliber 3B and are looking at taking a minus at the 3B position. If it gets to February and nobody bites, won't that Blue Jays package still be available? The only thing I think makes sense is that the A's scouting department is very high on the particular players the team received, even if they aren't household names
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Post by aussiedodger on Dec 1, 2014 18:31:18 GMT -8
Billy obviously likes the SPs in the deal much more then the rest of the world. Nolin is supposedly a "back of the rotation" guy, and yet Baseball Prospectus had him #97 prospect in the game pre-2013. Apart from 2014 he has fabulous numbers, so maybe this is a buy low. I'm just hoping he hasn't got (what I perceive) the "I've been in the minors longer then I should be" malaise that can wreck some prospects. Graveman looks like a once off fluke, and then you see he threw 167 IP for 2 HRs in 2014. I know age-for-level and all that jazz, but it's still impressive. Also, if he has the nous and courage to successfully add a pitch (a cutter) in his first full pro year, he's someone I want on my team. www.athleticsnation.com/2014/12/1/7310407/athletics-trade-josh-donaldson-prospects-franklin-barreto-sean-nolin-kendall-gravemanDoes the left-handedness of Nolin mean Billy is definitely flipping Kazmir and his $11mil salary? If losing Kaz + Donaldson means we snag Chase Headley for 3B and have Lawrie for 2B, I'm in. |
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Post by kab21 on Dec 1, 2014 22:36:45 GMT -8
I think Barreto is the interesting part of the trade personally. Moneyball might have focused on staying away from 5 tool guys but Billy seems to like toolsy guys that he can pick up on the cheap. I would not be surprised if he skyrockets up prospect lists a year from now. At which time Billy trades him since he will be risky but valuable.
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Post by toledomudhens on Dec 2, 2014 7:05:31 GMT -8
I have Donaldson as a keeper in my AL only league, I could not be happier....Christmas came early.....lol....go AA.... Glad to have found you guys.  |
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Post by kab21 on Jan 10, 2015 16:32:35 GMT -8
Beane is more active than most fantasy owners. I don't even know what to expect from the A's this year. Are they a .500 team or are they actually good?
I love what the Rays did. I called the Asdrubal signing elsewhere as a signing to make Zobrist expendable simply so they can trade him and restock the farm system. Robertson looks like a damn good prospect. Asdrubal isn't as good as Zobrist but 1 yr Asdrubal + Robertson > 1 yr Zobrist. I didn't expect them to trade both Zobrist and Yunel but they have been motivated to save money this offseason. I wouldn't love that as a Rays fan.
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