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Post by baldrick on Feb 22, 2015 22:29:51 GMT -8
12 team dynasty league with no in season moves outside of trades and only 10 off-season rounds of drafting.
I finished 9th last season meaning the 4th overall pick in the draft and I'm now looking to trade my 4th pick for the 1st pick and potentially try and trade to also acquire the 3rd pick.
Right now a tentative deal for Lawrie/4th pick for the 1st pick is on the table. Not concerned with losing Lawrie, but it means having to grab a new 2B.
The next issue is debating on whether to use the first pick on Brian Dozier or Dee Gordon? If I manage to trade to get the 3rd overall pick do I go with one of Arrieta/Richards/Betances? Right now I am not sure what position the manager with the 3rd pick is looking to fill and if they are even willing to lose their first round pick.
Roster:
C: Alex Avila
1B: Jose Bautista
2B: Brett Lawrie
3B: Kyle Seager
SS: Xander Bogaerts
OF: Giancarlo Stanton, Torii Hunter, Michael Bourn
UT: Mark Teixeira
BN: Zack Cozart, Jesus Montero, Miguel Sano, Alex Guerrero, Adam Dunn (Ret.)
Some holes in my bats to fill obviously. Not even sure if Bourn is worth keeping anymore given that he no longer is an SB monster.
SP: Lance Lynn, Yordano Ventura, Da HAren, Phil Hughes, Tony Cingrani, Archie Bradley, Jhoulys Chacin, Justin Masterson, Trevor Cahill, Jacob Turner
RP: Drew Storen, Kenley Jansen, Danny Farquhar, Jason Grilli, Bruce Rondon, Dylan Bundy
(SPx4, RPx4 - no P slots)
Pitching could be significantly better. Sadly the bad advice I received from the Cafe was to keep Turner and drop Teheran! I questioned it, but a couple highly respected posters said to drop him sadly.
Appreciate any help
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Post by aussiedodger on Feb 23, 2015 2:21:08 GMT -8
I'd sell high on Seager and Bautista to get better OF #2 and #3, I'd sell Phil Hughes after his career year.
Maybe also sell one of your closers, they shouldn't be that hard to replace in a 12-teamer.
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Post by baldrick on Feb 23, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -8
Any thoughts on the draft pick selections? Do I use first overall to get Gordon or Dozier to plug into my 2B? Do I try and pull a deal that would likely see me have to send off Seager or Joey Bats for the 3rd pick and use it on one of the 3 pitchers I previously mentioned?
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Post by thetrith on Feb 23, 2015 17:32:18 GMT -8
Definitely do NOT trade Seager/Bautista for just a pick. It sounds like there is not really any top talent available in the draft, so picks carry minimal value.
If you trade either of those guys look to upgrade with another player at a specific position.
Like Aussie said, your OF could use some help. Although Bautista should be OF eligible in all formats anyway so trading him might be counterproductive.
Maybe look to getting a 1B instead.
I like Dozier a lot more than Gordon, especially if your league uses OBP.
When you say no in season moves, does that mean nobody can pick up FA's?
Like if a prospect is called up, nobody can add him?
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Post by mashinspuds on Feb 23, 2015 17:37:08 GMT -8
I would be interested to know who might be available #1 overall. Dozier/Gordon would be an upgrade, but you could also use a good arm. If you could snag Richards it would be a good get at 3 if available. If you could list the top 10 free agents, it might be easier to see if a trade would be smart.
As for bad advice, it is indeed very hard to ignore well respected advice, but ultimately a) you alone have to make a decision and b) one never truly knows how a player will turn out. The best one can do in this game is to research everywhere and take one's best guess.
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Post by baldrick on Feb 23, 2015 23:16:41 GMT -8
Should have mentioned the cats are standard 5x5.
Not sure whether to call this a dynasty league or a full keeper league. Usually 'keeper' is a limited number and dynasty usually encompasses keeping your entire roster so I feel dynasty fits better, but that usually also involves a farm team, etc. We don't have a farm or prospect roster though. We did decide to expand to a 35 (from 30) player roster. So any prospects you will carry on your bench. That is why I went prospect heavy last season with Cingrani/Sano/Guerrero.
So you are right that there is no FA pick ups. Only moves that can be done are via trades besides the 10 rounds of drafting in the off-season.
As requested below is the top 10 bats and pitchers going by Rank.
Bats:
Dee Gordon
Charlie Blackmon
Brian Dozier
Corey Dickerson
Denard Span
Melky Cabrera
J.D. Martinez
Lucas Duba
Marcell Ozuna
Rajai Davis
SP/RP:
Garrett Richards
Jake Arrieta
Dellin Betances
Wade Davis
Collin McHugh
Zach Britton
Matt Shoemaker
Francisco Rodriguez
Joe Smith
Carlos Carrasco
Yeah, I did question the Turner/Teheran advice, but figured perhaps they knew something I didn't. Most of my focus is within the AL East and the NL in general is more of a crap shoot for me. Who knows, maybe Turner might turn things around, but right now I'm doubting it.
As for the 3rd pick to acquire that the manager is looking for 'middle infield/SP/OF'.
Would post his roster now if that would help with a possible trade, but it seems Yahoo has decided to do some site maintenance all of a sudden.
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Post by mashinspuds on Feb 24, 2015 4:53:10 GMT -8
The top 5 for your situation looks like Dozier, Gordon, Dickerson, Richards and Carrasco. Since you have a few holes to fill, you could gamble on trading Lawrie for the 3rd pick (if he takes it). Then you could try and get two of the five with the hope that one of the second basemen falls to you. That is IF he takes the trade and IF one of the 2B's fall, so that might be worth pursuing. Getting a bat and an arm would help you quite a bit.
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Post by baldrick on Feb 24, 2015 12:05:06 GMT -8
Well I already have an agreement on trading Lawrie/4th to get the 1st. However that doesn't give me 2 picks. I know he had asked about Bog and I believe Seager. Not sure what to even pursue with the 3rd pick.
That managers roster consists of:
C: Yadier Molina
1B: Eric Hosmer
2B: Omar Infante
3B: Adrian Beltre
SS: Jimmy Rollins
OF: Alex Rios, Adam Eaton, Alejadro De Aza
UT: Josh Donaldson
BN: Ryan Howard, Raul Ibanez, Geovany Soto, Marco Scutaro, Jason Kubel
SP: Ian Kennedy, Edinson Volquez, Tim Hudson, Jason Vargas, Hiroki Kuroda, Mark Buehrle, Scott Baker, Travis Wood
RP: Mark Melancon, Jonathan Broxton, Jim Johnson, Joaquin Benoit, Scott Downs
So right now I am guaranteed either the 4th pick or giving up Lawrie/4th for the 1st. I'm assuming Dozier being listed first is your ranking him higher? I'm torn on Dozier and Gordon. Dozier has the higher power chance, but Gordon has the speed and is more likely to put up similar numbers to last season. The consensus right now is that Dozier seems likely to fall short and everyone points out he started off hot and drastically cooled up after the break.
I do now that Dozier likely doesn't make it to the second round in the draft. He was actually picked up and then dropped by one team during drafting last season much to her dismay, heh.
The roster above is what can be used to try and get the 3rd pick.
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Post by mashinspuds on Feb 25, 2015 4:45:14 GMT -8
My list was more of a top 5 available, but not in any particular order. If you have no faith in Lawrie then make the trade for the #1, but understand that you'll have a choice between two questionable players in terms of long term contributions. Either one would be an upgrade over Lawrie at this point, but it is your choice to make.
Know that by making a trade you are essentially losing a player that you could get. For instance, by drafting Gordon or Dozier you may be giving up a chance at Lawrie/Dickerson or Lawrie/Carrasco for the season. Lawrie isn't a total waste, so also consider adding to your team given some of its age.
Ideally, you would be able to snag two picks in the first round, but if that's not possible, you need to really weigh the importance of some added speed over a new arm or bat.
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Post by baldrick on Feb 25, 2015 10:57:27 GMT -8
Now trying to set a framework instead for a 3 team deal that lands me the 3rd overall pick in addition my 4th overall. Team 1 said they needed mid IF/SP/OF, Team 2 needs 3B/RP and I'm looking primarily for the pick as Team 3. Lawrie is an additional expendable if it secures the deal by giving him up to Team 1 or 2.
Naturally Donaldson on paper is the best player on the board. However I feel it is balanced and isn't lopsided. I also expressed to Team 1 that I'd have to know who he would use the 1st pick on if the trade is agreed upon by all involved.
Give:
Team 1: Josh Donaldson, 3rd pick, Joaquin Benoit
Team 2: Mark Trumbo, 1st pick
Team 3: Torii Hunter, Dan Haren
Gets:
Team 1: 1st pick, Torii Hunter, Dan Haren
Team 2: Josh Donaldson, Joaquin Benoit
Team 3: 3rd pick, Mark Trumbo
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Post by mashinspuds on Feb 25, 2015 12:01:54 GMT -8
Edit: As a framework, you and Team 2 win out. Team 1 is disgraced, as Donaldson is the best guy and, no matter who gets drafted first, will not be worth Donaldson. Haren and Hunter, although nice late pieces, are not talented enough anymore to make it worth Team 1's while. If Team 1 got another good player or pick it might be worth it, but Donaldson might be too big a piece to move for the return value.
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Post by baldrick on Feb 25, 2015 12:23:18 GMT -8
Well Team 1 agreed to the trade. It's not lopsided to any degree, but I guess that manager feels Donaldson was expendable given they had Beltre at 3B and can plug someone else in at UT.
I've been told Betances is their player of choice with the 1st pick (I swayed them away from Gordon) so that just leaves me to see who the 2nd pick is.
Honestly I'm surprised that Team 1 accepted the trade without even countering it to ask for more. Team 2 still wants to discuss me moving Lawrie to them (a fellow Jays fan who got attached to the player, lol). Could be beneficial to me.
I don't necessarily get the best player in Donaldson, but Trumbo is a nice upgrade over Hunter and if Gordon/Dozier + Dickerson pan out I feel I won this trade as I gave up very little and ended up with potentially 3 cogs in my lineup.
I do appreciate the sound advice. I rarely trade and in leagues with a normal moves I am usually the lowest season moves (I believe I average about 10-15 moves per season in baseball). So when I do anything like this I usually analyze the crap out of it and look for sound advice from others before pulling the trigger.
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Post by mashinspuds on Feb 25, 2015 12:27:09 GMT -8
Oh believe me, you get a great deal in this. I would definitely say giving away Donaldson and getting Betances/Haren/Hunter is lopsided in Team 2 and 3's favor, but whatever, Team 1 is feeling generous. Good trade by you, and to be able to choose two of Dozier/Gordon/Richards is disgusting.
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Post by baldrick on Feb 25, 2015 12:51:21 GMT -8
Yeah. Oh so Dickerson is out? I can live with one of Dozier/Gordon and then Richards and see what ends up falling to round 2. I doubt Dickerson would drop. I also could unload Lawrie for the 1st pick of round 2 (13th overall pick). The only issue I have with losing Lawrie is that he has a nice 2B/3B eligibility right now.
I'm just not sure who to go with over Gordon/Dozier still. It's potential power for speed. I'm liking Gordon just because he helps me with SB and AVG. I can get HR/RBI elsewhere.
And Betances was taken with the 1st pick, so hopefully the 2nd pick doesn't touch any of the 3 I am eyeing.
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Post by mashinspuds on Feb 25, 2015 14:20:41 GMT -8
Ah yes, Dickerson as well. Make it a group of 4 to choose from. Good luck!
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Post by baldrick on Feb 25, 2015 14:38:49 GMT -8
Good luck is putting it lightly. Hate choices. If you had to pick 2 of those 4 who would you prefer personally? Just curious who gets the edge in your book.
I think nabbing the SP in Richards would be the smarter move, but I'm still on the fence about Dozier/Gordon. Dickerson likely doesn't fall to the second round, but who knows.
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Post by aussiedodger on Feb 25, 2015 19:41:29 GMT -8
I'd go Dickerson/Dozier/Richards.
Gordon looks like a mirage with one good season, and who knows if the Marlins will send him that many times?
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Post by thetrith on Feb 26, 2015 15:08:13 GMT -8
1. Dickerson
2. Dozier
3. Richards
4. Ozuna
5. Arrieta
6. JD Martinez
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Post by baldrick on Mar 7, 2015 20:20:43 GMT -8
Just wanted to update and thanks those who helped with advice an opinions. Via trade and thanks to my 3 picks over the first 2 rounds (2 in the 1st and 1 in the 2nd) I've added and lost the following:
Traded: Torii Hunter, Dan Haren
Added: Mark Trumbo, Brian Dozier, Garrett Richards and Corey Dickerson
I think my next target if they drop to round 3 is Arrieta. If that happens I think I can quite honestly say this draft has already been a complete success on paper for me. I also still have someone interested in trading for Brett Lawrie. I might just opt to ask for a pick if Arrieta is still available come the 3rd (the person has the 1st pick) as that seems like a good enough trade off.
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