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Post by ensanimal on Jan 20, 2015 19:47:53 GMT -8
10 team 5X5 roto keeper where we keep 7. No contracts or keeper costs. Which 7 would you go with? Does Harvey make the cut? I don't think Fernandez does but should he since he could be kept forever?
C: McCann, Castro
1b: Encarnacion
2b: Carpenter
3b: Wright
SS: Peralta
CI: Donaldson
MI: D. Murphy
OF: McCutchen, L. Martin, Puig, Duda, BJ Upton
Util: Kendrick
Bench: Fowler, Villar, Parra, Arcia
RP: Kimbrel, N. Ramirez
P: F. Hernandez, Haren, Melancon, Miller, Morton, Qualls
Bench: McCarthy, Burnett, Masterson, J. Fernandez, Harvey
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Post by boshankus on Jan 21, 2015 1:26:36 GMT -8
Package Kimbrel+Donaldson together for the best hitter you can get your hands on.
Then keep whoever you get in that trade, along with Edwin, Cutch, Puig, Felix, Jose, and Harvey.
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Post by steelcity79 on Jan 21, 2015 3:15:59 GMT -8
Edwin
Donaldson
Cutch
Puig
Kimbrel
J Fernandez
Harvey
I agree on the package trade idea but I'd use Wright in the package instead of Donaldson
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Post by bigh0rt on Jan 21, 2015 5:52:29 GMT -8
McCutchen, Puig, Hernandez, Encarnacion, Wright, Fernandez, Harvey. Everyone else can take a hike.
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Post by kab21 on Jan 21, 2015 7:11:42 GMT -8
Edwin, Puig, Cutch and Donaldson on offense
Felix, JFernandez and Harvey for pitching
Kimbrel is my last cut
Wright might have a huge bounce back as a 32 yr old but he's quickly becoming an uninteresting fantasy player that is only in this discussion because of name value.
I would look to trade anyone but Cutch and Felix as a 2 for 1 if you can get back another near elite player in the deal. I think Puig and one of the TJ pitchers might attract the most attention and be the easiest to snag a top player.
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Post by mashinspuds on Jan 21, 2015 9:35:00 GMT -8
Edwin, Puig, Cutch and Donaldson on offense Felix, JFernandez and Harvey for pitching Kimbrel is my last cut My thoughts exactly. Donaldson > Wright and, given that it is a 10 team league, closers can be found in the draft most likely. |
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Post by element on Jan 21, 2015 11:21:08 GMT -8
Edwin, Puig, Cutch and Donaldson on offense Felix, JFernandez and Harvey for pitching Kimbrel is my last cut My thoughts exactly. Donaldson > Wright and, given that it is a 10 team league, closers can be found in the draft most likely. I also agree. In a 10 teamer you should also not have a problem adding some other good SP'ers once your lineup rounds out. If you can stabilize your ratios with your starters then scraping the bottom of the barrel for saves is easier to stomach. |
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Post by ensanimal on Jan 21, 2015 17:18:14 GMT -8
Edwin, Puig, Cutch and Donaldson on offense Felix, JFernandez and Harvey for pitching Kimbrel is my last cut Wright might have a huge bounce back as a 32 yr old but he's quickly becoming an uninteresting fantasy player that is only in this discussion because of name value. This is what I was thinking as well, just not sure if not having Fernandez for half a year was worth his future potential. Trades will certainly be explored of course as well. Thanks all. |
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Post by kab21 on Jan 21, 2015 19:52:14 GMT -8
It's not ideal and I would look to trade him personally because of it. Somebody will bite on his potential. If they don't then you potentially have 3 top 10 pitchers if Harvey and Jose recover like is fairly typical of TJ pitchers now. If you had another top keeper then I would consider cutting him but I wouldn't cut him to keep Wright or a closer instead.
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Post by boshankus on Jan 21, 2015 21:14:12 GMT -8
It's not ideal and I would look to trade him personally because of it. Somebody will bite on his potential. And then you watch him rack up stats for some other guy's team for the next decade+.....which is the very definition of "not ideal". |
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Post by kab21 on Jan 23, 2015 5:55:33 GMT -8
It's not ideal and I would look to trade him personally because of it. Somebody will bite on his potential. And then you watch him rack up stats for some other guy's team for the next decade+.....which is the very definition of "not ideal". Of course it could happen. You could play this argument for any young player that you trade. And it's because of that potential that you can package him for an elite player. The problem with Jose Fernandez this year is that it's very likely that he doesn't play for the first couple of months and is rusty like most TJ pitchers are in their first season (especially less than 18 months after surgery). I play for this season especially in a league with 10 or fewer keepers. Obviously a guy like Wainwright is discounted but I don't value the upside of prospects (coming off of TJ basically resets him as a prospect) as highly others in this setup. |
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Post by boshankus on Jan 23, 2015 7:42:00 GMT -8
And then you watch him rack up stats for some other guy's team for the next decade+.....which is the very definition of "not ideal". Of course it could happen. You could play this argument for any young player that you trade. And it's because of that potential that you can package him for an elite player. The problem with Jose Fernandez this year is that it's very likely that he doesn't play for the first couple of months and is rusty like most TJ pitchers are in their first season (especially less than 18 months after surgery). I play for this season especially in a league with 10 or fewer keepers. Obviously a guy like Wainwright is discounted but I don't value the upside of prospects (coming off of TJ basically resets him as a prospect) as highly others in this setup. The whole point of a keeper league is to balance playing for this year and playing for future years. This is especially true in leagues where players can be kept forever without contracts/costs/penalties. And you don't need to package Fernandez for an elite player. He already is an elite player. |
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Post by bigh0rt on Jan 23, 2015 9:52:56 GMT -8
Of course it could happen. You could play this argument for any young player that you trade. And it's because of that potential that you can package him for an elite player. The problem with Jose Fernandez this year is that it's very likely that he doesn't play for the first couple of months and is rusty like most TJ pitchers are in their first season (especially less than 18 months after surgery). I play for this season especially in a league with 10 or fewer keepers. Obviously a guy like Wainwright is discounted but I don't value the upside of prospects (coming off of TJ basically resets him as a prospect) as highly others in this setup. The whole point of a keeper league is to balance playing for this year and playing for future years. This is especially true in leagues where players can be kept forever without contracts/costs/penalties. And you don't need to package Fernandez for an elite player. He already is an elite player. The point of any league is to win. The keeper designation adds a dynamic to the fold, that's all. Fantasy baseball is unlike real baseball in that in the vast vast majority of leagues, with very few exceptions that I've ever been witness to, there is little to no reason to feel the need to 'rebuild', or 'sell veterans for prospects'. Fantasy baseball, even keeper leagues, and especially the keeper setup that is described in this thread, can be won year after year after year without paying much consideration to the future. You could play for 'this year' every single year in this league and never feel any negative effects. I would not consider for one millisecond how Jose Fernandez will be performing in 10 or 5 or even 3 years. In a setup like this, you keep the guys who you anticipate having the best season in 2015, and then next off-season, you do the same exact thing for 2016, so on and so forth, and with intelligent drafting and roster management, you should be able to compete for a championship every single year. |
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Post by kab21 on Jan 23, 2015 20:48:36 GMT -8
Nobody coming off of TJ is currently an elite player. Everyone should expect a rocky season from Fernandez this year since he didn't have TJ until the end of May last year. Optimistically the projection for his should be 100IP with a 4.00 ERA and a lot of BB's. He might be elite again in the future but that isn't guaranteed and if you get that type of season from one of your keepers then that might be the difference between 1st and 3rd/4th.
Additionally nobody is talking about trading him for Wainwright or Beltre. We know exactly what a keeper league is.
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Post by ensanimal on Jan 24, 2015 6:44:02 GMT -8
Don't have worry about deciding on Fernandez. Traded him and Harvey and got Miggy back. Now I just need to figure out who becomes my 7th now?
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Post by boshankus on Jan 24, 2015 7:09:09 GMT -8
Don't have worry about deciding on Fernandez. Traded him and Harvey and got Miggy back. Now I just need to figure out who becomes my 7th now? Miggy, Edwin, Cutch, Puig, Donaldson, Felix, and Kimbrel look like the obvious choices now. |
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Post by kab21 on Jan 24, 2015 7:17:44 GMT -8
It's Kimbrel even though I don't really like the idea of keeping a closer.
I like the trade and it's exactly what I would have been looking to do. Your offense is awesome and you can load up on pitchers in the middle of the draft (where the draft starts with 7 keepers). Pitching is so deep.
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Post by ensanimal on Jan 24, 2015 8:05:33 GMT -8
It's Kimbrel even though I don't really like the idea of keeping a closer. I like the trade and it's exactly what I would have been looking to do. Your offense is awesome and you can load up on pitchers in the middle of the draft (where the draft starts with 7 keepers). Pitching is so deep. Agree with going on pitchers in the draft, that's why I really wanted to deal those 2. I hate the idea of keeping a closer, especially in a ten team league but I don't see another option. |
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Post by kellythemick on Jan 24, 2015 8:17:44 GMT -8
The whole point of a keeper league is to balance playing for this year and playing for future years. This is especially true in leagues where players can be kept forever without contracts/costs/penalties. And you don't need to package Fernandez for an elite player. He already is an elite player. The point of any league is to win. The keeper designation adds a dynamic to the fold, that's all. Fantasy baseball is unlike real baseball in that in the vast vast majority of leagues, with very few exceptions that I've ever been witness to, there is little to no reason to feel the need to 'rebuild', or 'sell veterans for prospects'. Fantasy baseball, even keeper leagues, and especially the keeper setup that is described in this thread, can be won year after year after year without paying much consideration to the future. You could play for 'this year' every single year in this league and never feel any negative effects. I would not consider for one millisecond how Jose Fernandez will be performing in 10 or 5 or even 3 years. In a setup like this, you keep the guys who you anticipate having the best season in 2015, and then next off-season, you do the same exact thing for 2016, so on and so forth, and with intelligent drafting and roster management, you should be able to compete for a championship every single year. Holy s#@%! I am glad I am sitting - I agree completely with bigh0rt. |
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