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Post by boshankus on Jan 13, 2015 16:54:44 GMT -8
12 teams, must keep 10, can keep players forever. 7x7 roto (5x5 + OPS and K's for hitters, Holds and QS for pitchers). LF/CF/RF instead of OF spots, and 2 Util spots.
These are the guys I'm pretty much locked into keeping for 2015. All of them should have at least a few good years coming on the horizon.
C -
1B - Abreu
2B - Betts
SS - Bogaerts
3B - Rendon
LF -
CF - Pederson
RF - Soler
UT - Bryant
UT -
P - Kershaw
Which leaves me two spots to fill. I can surely fill those two spots with other guys that I'm sure some of you will suggest I keep instead -- Upton, Ellsbury, Braun, Wainwright, Hamels, Carrasco, or Arrieta. I'd probably pick Upton and Ellsbury, and hope to get Carrasco back with my first pick. But I'm generally tired of looking at the names of old people on my roster. (Last year, I traded away Pujols and Kemp and waived Pedroia and Wright. The exodus of the aged continues this year.)
Rather than keep any of those guys, I'd prefer to put together a package of any 3-4 of those older guys and try to land someone like Puig or Harper or Rizzo....better that than let the bulk of those guys go back into the draft for nothing. And it seems smarter to gamble on the unproven-ness of the kids than to cling to the veterans until they've lost whatever trade value they've still got.
But is that any kind of realistic? I know "quantity for quality" type of deals don't happen all that often, but this is a quantity of quality for quality. It seems like I'd be overpaying....or am I just imagining that?
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Post by mashinspuds on Jan 13, 2015 17:18:32 GMT -8
I personally like Braun and Hamels and don't think of them as 'old' guys. Truth is, in a 12 team league you have enough talent, young and old, to try and win again. Focusing on younger guys might make you feel better about the future, but sometimes choosing young name value doesn't get you the stats you need to be competitive for the coming year. At least with a vet you know what you are likely getting, whereas a one year wonder may not build on that year.
If you are set on going younger, only a fool would reject a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 from you. Someone should gladly send you the guy you want, and since you have motivation for youth you shouldn't worry about the outgoing talent. Yes, you would be overpaying by a lot, but it is for what you want.
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Post by roscoemvp on Jan 13, 2015 17:25:13 GMT -8
it looks like your deciding to have some nice names on paper vs. having a good team.
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Post by boshankus on Jan 13, 2015 17:29:09 GMT -8
it looks like your deciding to have some nice names on paper vs. having a good team. I'm choosing not to be singularly focused on 2015 at the detriment of future seasons. It's certainly possible that I could have a better team in 2015 with Waino and Braun and such....but the window to trade those guys for any kind of real value is also just about shut. |
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Post by kab21 on Jan 14, 2015 4:32:25 GMT -8
Everyone has a strategy but I hate punting for the next couple of seasons to rebuild when you have a real chance to win this year with your good team. I see this all the time in my dynasty league. You do have some great prospects though.
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Post by bigh0rt on Jan 14, 2015 5:11:37 GMT -8
There's no way I'd keep Bogaerts, or probably even Pederson or Soler over some of your other options who you are deeming 'old'. Relying on that many lottery ticket prospects is generally a recipe for complete disaster. FWIW, the 10 guys I would keep would be Abreu, Betts, Rendon, Braun, Ellsbury, Kershaw, Carrasco, Wainwright, Bryant, and Hamels. This is a solid stable of players not only for 2015, but many of them beyond. There is no 'major rebuild' to be done here. This isn't real baseball, it's fantasy. If you manage your team well you can compete every single season. If you keep the guys you're indicating originally, not only are you highly unlikely to compete in 2015, but also in the future as the prospects fizzle, and take their different career path trajectories. The likelihood of them all becoming incredibly productive is slim to none. Meanwhile you already have guys who have shown that they can produce fantasy numbers, and you want to ditch them. I've never understood this mentality, and never will. I've played in leagues where guys are penerrially playing for the future, and they never ever, ever win.
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Post by kab21 on Jan 14, 2015 5:15:16 GMT -8
This is especially true in a league with limited keepers. Perhaps Wainwright isn't keeper worthy in a year or two. It's easy to replace him at that point.
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Post by mashinspuds on Jan 14, 2015 6:46:43 GMT -8
If you are set on going younger, only a fool would reject a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 from you. Someone should gBumsly send you the guy you want, and since you have motivation for youth you shouldn't worry about the outgoing talent. Yes, you would be overpaying by a lot, but it is for what you want. By the way, in case you were wondering what that word was supposed to say, it is 'g l a d l y'. Oh that L.A. parser... |
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Post by element on Jan 15, 2015 15:00:43 GMT -8
With only 10 keepers, keep the best 10 for the upcoming season.
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Post by halo1 on Jan 24, 2015 13:23:59 GMT -8
I encourage you to keep Hamels and Upton, and release Bogerts and Pederson.
You need to think like the "herd" for a moment. Bogerts had a uninspiring season, and he is almost on no one's radar. You'll be able to get him back easily, won't even cost you a first round pick.
Pederson is on people's radars but he has no track record, won't go ahead of more established players, another guy you'll easily get back.
I would keep in their places either Carrasco or Hamels, and definetly keep Upton he is only 27 and will have a strong year even with San Diego as a home park.
I really like your idea of trying to acquire Rizzo. He is going to be a 1st round pick in redrafts I would try to trade Waino and Ellsbury for him.
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Post by boshankus on Jan 24, 2015 19:20:28 GMT -8
The "herd" doesn't play in this league. Here's a list of guys, just off the top of my head, that I know for sure were on other people's rosters when the season ended last year and are highly likely to be kept by their owners....Addison Russell, Joey Gallo, Corey Seager, Byron Buxton, Dylan Bundy, Carlos Rodon, Archie Bradley, Noah Syndergaard, and Andrew Heaney. I'm probably even missing a couple other names.
The point being, Bogaerts and Pederson are absolutely on my league's collective radar. I won last year, so I'll pick last in every round (non-snake draft). I've got just as good a shot at re-drafting Pederson or Bogearts as I do re-drafting Hamels or Upton....which is to say no shot at all.
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Post by kab21 on Jan 24, 2015 20:20:01 GMT -8
That means you have an even better chance at winning again this season if you keep your best keepers instead of choosing to rebuild a competitive team that could win it all. Keep a top prospect like Bryant for fun but don't load your team up with question marks for this season.
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Post by halo1 on Jan 25, 2015 11:25:22 GMT -8
The "herd" doesn't play in this league. Here's a list of guys, just off the top of my head, that I know for sure were on other people's rosters when the season ended last year and are highly likely to be kept by their owners....Addison Russell, Joey Gallo, Corey Seager, Byron Buxton, Dylan Bundy, Carlos Rodon, Archie Bradley, Noah Syndergaard, and Andrew Heaney. I'm probably even missing a couple other names. The point being, Bogaerts and Pederson are absolutely on my league's collective radar. I won last year, so I'll pick last in every round (non-snake draft). I've got just as good a shot at re-drafting Pederson or Bogearts as I do re-drafting Hamels or Upton....which is to say no shot at all. There are 120 keepers in your league. There is no way NO WAY Pederson is in the top 120, he isn't even sniffing top 200 in most keepers. In Upton you're throwing away a 27 year old stud who goes no worse than the 4th round in a redraft league.
Keep Bogerts if you must, but Hamels is the better player, especially if he ends up somewhere like San Diego or St. Louis which are rumored to be in on him.
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Post by bigh0rt on Jan 26, 2015 5:17:50 GMT -8
That means you have an even better chance at winning again this season if you keep your best keepers instead of choosing to rebuild a competitive team that could win it all. Keep a top prospect like Bryant for fun but don't load your team up with question marks for this season. This. I would love this league. Would probably win it more often than not while everyone else perennially plays for the future. |
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Post by thetrith on Jan 29, 2015 22:27:26 GMT -8
There is no way keeping Pederson and Bogaerts is correct in your format. Even reaching for them in the draft to guarantee you get them back, you would have to invest no more than a mid-teen draft pick on them.
Dont focus so much on the future. There are hot prospects that pop up every year. No need to sacrifice the current season to gamble on several of these guys.
Just keep your 10 best players. i would have to think all of Upton, Arrietta, and Hamels are among them. If you want to keep 2 of Bryant, Betts, and Soler I wouldnt argue there I suppose, but if everyone in the league thinks like you then surely you can trade one of them?
As far as your plan to package 3-4 older marginal guys for a top keeper... its not going to happen. How many teams can possibly keep 3 or 4 of your 11th-14th best players? No team can be that bad. And even if they were horrendous, keeping 1 elite talent is much better than keeping a few marginal guys. Every team has there own marginal guys to choose from already.
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Post by thetrith on Jan 29, 2015 22:31:48 GMT -8
I know for sure were on other people's rosters when the season ended last year and are highly likely to be kept by their owners....Addison Russell, Joey Gallo, Corey Seager, Byron Buxton, Dylan Bundy, Carlos Rodon, Archie Bradley, Noah Syndergaard, and Andrew Heaney. I'm probably even missing a couple other names. The point being, Bogaerts and Pederson are absolutely on my league's collective radar. Reading this, now Im certain that you can move several of your young prospect/2nd year types and build a monster team that crushes this season. Keeping guys like Gallo, Snydergaard, Buxton, Bradley, etc is absurd in any format where you dont get a huge discount on prospects. All those guys can be had in the very last rounds of drafts. Why waste a keeper on them? |
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