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Post by havok1517 on Feb 6, 2015 19:20:42 GMT -8
Cuban 1B/3B Yosvani Bell (Industriales) is now eligible to sign for MLB. Source: ESPN Enrique Rojas Bell (12/25/1990) is 24 and was only recently was granted his free agency. At 24, he would not count a against a team's foreign amateur player budget. Not much information is available on Bell though he is coached by Robinson Cano's dad and there are some videos (below). He is a big guy that can apparently play 3B and 1B. Based on his videos, I do not agree that he can play 3B in the major leagues because of his labored arm motion and inflexible movement. His footwork and glove seem fine for 1B and I think his stoke is nice actually so he may have some value. His instagram shows him wearing some catching gear, which could be exciting if he can catch, and he was listed as a catcher for the Cuban team Industriales in 2008. I honestly don't know exactly how big he is but if I were to guess I'd say in 6'1-6'2/240 range. He has huge legs and a big barrel chest. Going by appearances, he looks like a smaller Frank Thomas though that says nothing of his actual in game ability. We will see. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YVsY7SEX2Ywww.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-NVgXLmfEyooying.com/p/798005514727655159_1450082368 |
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 6, 2015 19:51:25 GMT -8
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Post by kab21 on Feb 7, 2015 4:58:14 GMT -8
He will always be the big 'what if'. Perhaps he comes in the next year or two but even then he will be 32/33. I saw him play a couple of years ago (in person). I'm not sure if he will have more than 10 HR power at this point but he was a really good all-around player. Defense, smooth swing, contact, smashing the ball but not big time power. |
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 7, 2015 14:00:19 GMT -8
He will always be the big 'what if'. Perhaps he comes in the next year or two but even then he will be 32/33. I saw him play a couple of years ago (in person). I'm not sure if he will have more than 10 HR power at this point but he was a really good all-around player. Defense, smooth swing, contact, smashing the ball but not big time power. Yeah, I could actually see him being more valuable in reality than in fantasy, though he would be great in both. I think many believed he could be the next great offensive force but right now he probably profiles more like a younger Adrian Beltre rather another MCab. Still, he's so polished and composed in every facet of the game that he'd succeed. |
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Post by silverz on Feb 11, 2015 9:20:01 GMT -8
Love it, havok. Thanks for keeping this going. I'm hoping to snag an import during the reserve rounds of my ultra deep al-only dynasty league.
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 12, 2015 8:10:38 GMT -8
Right-handed Cuban teenager (18) Yadier Alvarez was "lights out" and throwing between 93 and 97 mph during a showcase in the Dominican Republic on Wednesday, Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports.
Alvarez is just 18 years old, but he has a dynamite arm. If he is able to avoid injury, he could be a huge asset to a major league team in the future. He has plenty of hurdles to jump before he gets the majors, but once he's signed, he could do big things. ANALYST: David Kerr
Could be a nice get in a prospect draft.
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Post by kab21 on Feb 12, 2015 17:01:42 GMT -8
I'm assuming that he could be a 5+M bonus guy. The big question is if he is declared eligible to sign before July or not. I'm not sure a team would be willing to lose next year's bonus pool to sign him. Moncada yes, Alvarez no(?).
The other big question is whether or not he signs in time for drafts. We can draft anyone in our league but you lose them if he doesn't sign by opening day.
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Post by thetrith on Feb 12, 2015 19:38:14 GMT -8
If eligible for the current signing period, I would expect he gets signed by one of the teams already over their pool allocation.
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Post by kab21 on Feb 13, 2015 6:44:41 GMT -8
If eligible for the current signing period, I would expect he gets signed by one of the teams already over their pool allocation. That's exactly what I was thinking. That reduces the teams going after him to 3-4 IIRC. Perhaps he waits to sign until July 1st when there are more teams (10?) that expect to blow their bonus pool and everybody's pool has reset. |
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 14, 2015 7:51:23 GMT -8
Sources: Cuban infielder Andy Ibanez is a free agent & ready to sign. He could come to terms in a few weeks, sometime after Moncada signs.
MLB: Jesse Sanchez
Looks like Moncada will have to sign before the other Cuban players do.
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 15, 2015 17:02:57 GMT -8
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 15, 2015 17:06:34 GMT -8
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 21, 2015 16:27:49 GMT -8
Due to an MLB rule, Cuban pitchers Vladimir Gutierrez and Yadier Alvares will not be able to sign until July 2
per Ben Badler via Twitter.
Also, this essentially eliminates the Angels, Diamondbacks, Rays, Red Sox and Yankees from signing either player as they have gone over their current 2014-15 international bonus pools.
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Post by aussiedodger on Feb 24, 2015 18:57:55 GMT -8
63mil for Moncada is insane. This is "teenage middle infielder fetish" at it's worst.
Also, he gets 31mil bonus straight away, so where is his motivation going to come from?
I'd rather have every single older international player at this price.
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Post by thetrith on Feb 26, 2015 18:04:42 GMT -8
I dont think its *that* insane. It only turns into a horrible deal if he completely and utterly busts, in which case he wouldnt get any more $ out of the arbitration process anyway.
But he only needs to accumulate ~12 WAR (an average between 2-3 WAR/season during his 6 years of MLB service) in order for this deal to break even for the Sox.
There is potential for huge surplus value.
Im sure Boston ran EV calculations (ie 3% chance of 30+ WAR, 5% 25-30 WAR, %5 20-25 WAR, 10% 15-20 WAR... 5% 0-5 WAR, etc) and found that the deal makes plenty of sense financially.
how much do you think prospects like Bryant, Seager, Buxton, etc would sign for if they were subject to the same signing process as Moncada? Probably at least as much as he got and by all accounts Moncada has comparable tools and could easily stick at 2B or 3B.
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Post by aussiedodger on Feb 26, 2015 19:23:10 GMT -8
I dont think its *that* insane. It only turns into a horrible deal if he completely and utterly busts, in which case he wouldnt get any more $ out of the arbitration process anyway. But he only needs to accumulate ~12 WAR (an average between 2-3 WAR/season during his 6 years of MLB service) in order for this deal to break even for the Sox. There is potential for huge surplus value. Im sure Boston ran EV calculations (ie 3% chance of 30+ WAR, 5% 25-30 WAR, %5 20-25 WAR, 10% 15-20 WAR... 5% 0-5 WAR, etc) and found that the deal makes plenty of sense financially. how much do you think prospects like Bryant, Seager, Buxton, etc would sign for if they were subject to the same signing process as Moncada? Probably at least as much as he got and by all accounts Moncada has comparable tools and could easily stick at 2B or 3B. The 1st pick slot in the draft is $7.5mil now right? Paying 8x that for someone at that level is crazy. Bryant, Seager, Buxton have "done it" in the minor leagues and are ready to go. They're worth infinitely more then some guy you have to imagine and hope on. |
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Post by thetrith on Feb 26, 2015 19:46:32 GMT -8
Moncada was successful in Cuba's top league at 18 years old.
Buxton has a grand total of 3 PA's above A ball. I wouldn't say he has "done it".
Do you really think Moncada played in a league that was inferior to A ball?
Seager has 160 PA's above A ball. Both those guys are older than Moncada
Bryant is obviously much more developed and is MLB ready. He is also almost 4 years older.
If Moncada is a consensus top 5-12 prospect right now (and pretty much all reputable scouts say he is), then how are any of those guys, or any player at all with no MLB track record for that matter, "worth infinitely more" than Moncada? I dont see how you have to "imagine and hope" on him any more than any other prospect who has spent less half a season above A ball.
Furthermore, even if we do hypothetically say that those guys are all worth infinitely more than Moncada, that still does not mean Moncada cannot be worth what the Red Sox paid for him.
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Post by kab21 on Feb 26, 2015 21:08:34 GMT -8
I dont think its *that* insane. It only turns into a horrible deal if he completely and utterly busts, in which case he wouldnt get any more $ out of the arbitration process anyway. But he only needs to accumulate ~12 WAR (an average between 2-3 WAR/season during his 6 years of MLB service) in order for this deal to break even for the Sox. There is potential for huge surplus value. Im sure Boston ran EV calculations (ie 3% chance of 30+ WAR, 5% 25-30 WAR, %5 20-25 WAR, 10% 15-20 WAR... 5% 0-5 WAR, etc) and found that the deal makes plenty of sense financially. how much do you think prospects like Bryant, Seager, Buxton, etc would sign for if they were subject to the same signing process as Moncada? Probably at least as much as he got and by all accounts Moncada has comparable tools and could easily stick at 2B or 3B. The 1st pick slot in the draft is $7.5mil now right? Paying 8x that for someone at that level is crazy. Bryant, Seager, Buxton have "done it" in the minor leagues and are ready to go. They're worth infinitely more then some guy you have to imagine and hope on. This doesn't really mean anything compared to Moncada 1) Only the worst team can get the #1 pick - the Red Sox for example can't 2) The #1 pick slot amount is not an open market amount. Teams might pay more if it was an open market number. 3) Bryant, Seager and Buxton have played a couple of seasons since they were drafted and signed. Of course their value should have increased from their drafted number. If any of the guys listed were put into free market bidding right now they would easily be worth 40-50M (probably more). Moncada by many sources is a legit top 10 prospect and only cost the team money to add to their farm system. This is a big win for the Red Sox since they have money to spend. |
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Post by havok1517 on Feb 27, 2015 16:27:05 GMT -8
The 1st pick slot in the draft is $7.5mil now right? Paying 8x that for someone at that level is crazy. Bryant, Seager, Buxton have "done it" in the minor leagues and are ready to go. They're worth infinitely more then some guy you have to imagine and hope on. This doesn't really mean anything compared to Moncada 1) Only the worst team can get the #1 pick - the Red Sox for example can't 2) The #1 pick slot amount is not an open market amount. Teams might pay more if it was an open market number. 3) Bryant, Seager and Buxton have played a couple of seasons since they were drafted and signed. Of course their value should have increased from their drafted number. If any of the guys listed were put into free market bidding right now they would easily be worth 40-50M (probably more). Moncada by many sources is a legit top 10 prospect and only cost the team money to add to their farm system. This is a big win for the Red Sox since they have money to spend. Yes, I agree that the Moncada deal isn't as crazy as it seems though I do wonder why a big market team that didn't go over their international spending limit (ex. Nationals, Mets, etc.) didn't make a play. Also, something that needs to be mentioned is that Moncada plays a more premium position, SS, than any of other mentioned above (Seager will be moved to 3B at some point, IMO) and has a fairly high chance of staying there. If there were a re-draft of prospects, I think Moncada or maybe Correa would be the top position player taken. |
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Post by havok1517 on Mar 7, 2015 9:51:54 GMT -8
@jessesanchezmlb
Source: Hector Olivera has been declared a free agent by MLB and is free to enter into a contract with a big league club. #Cuba
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